OT God is Officially An Asshole

And a masochist.

lol

Well, it’s been 3 days since I posted my refutation of Chris Taylor’s rebuttal to my claim that the Old Testament God is an asshole without so much as a comment, let alone a response.

 I’m just going to assume that he won’t be responding and, considering this, I am officially declaring myself the victor.

Unless someone else wants to take his place and argue it out with me.

Here’s a few highlights from my rebuttal (as well as from his rebuttal, quotes from which are embedded in my rebuttal). Note that my words are bolded, whereas his are in plain text.

I seriously recommend reading the entire post, as it is easily my favorite that I’ve ever done, except maybe for the “Real Atheist-Christian Conversation.”

[UPDATE: Turns out tha Chris was out of town for three days. lol

 Well, I still stand by my argument and, as usual, he and anyone else are free to respond to my argument, which should be incredibly easy if it is as weak as they claim)

http://chillinatthecabstand.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/re-ct-says-gods-not-an-asshole/

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In regard to God's asshole-ness during Noah's flood... 

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“[There were scriptures here}

God desires for no one to perish, but He allows us to perish. But our actions determine whether or not we perish. If you repent, you are sorrowful. Sorrowful for what? For your disobedience. So He desires us to be sorrowful of our disobedience. Because sorrow according to the will of God leads to salvation:”

>>I’m glad you quoted that, as it completely proves my previous rebuttal point - if he doesn’t want them to perish, but wants them to repent, why did God just kill everyone instead of letting them live and repent?

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“[There were scriptures here]

Was God sorry because He didn’t know this would happen? No, He was regretful because the time had arrived of their wickedness and hence their destruction. Perhaps He was grieved at the very act of destruction as it is the opposite of creation. Not sure.”

>>Well, since the people and animals he drowned were just regular people and animals, Noah’s family’s and his animals’ offspring would eventually spawn “evil” people again. Not all of them would be “evil” (as if such a label is in any way fair or accurate), but there would be a good amount that would turn evil again.

And as we can see God’s action’s effect in this modern day, killing everyone did nothing since there is still so much evil in our world.

Why not drown everyone again? Yes, he made a covenant with Moses, but why did he make that covenant if killing everyone was the best solution for removing evil from society that his surprisingly limited intellect could devise

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“God turns us over to the lusts of our hearts and flesh. He allows us to worship the creation, rather than the creator. We have the choice to obey Him or not to obey Him .But guess what? There is even some good news here.”

>>Here’s the thing that I always thought was weird about how “nice” God is to let us do “bad” things… He’s making our situation worse. If we can’t do bad things, we are guaranteed to make it into heaven, but if we can sin, there is a chance – a good chance – we’ll get completely screwed in the end.

So God changes our situation from Win-Win to Win-Lose, which is obviously worse than Win-Win.

And, in the Old Testament, which we are discussing, he DOESN’T allow the worship of foreign gods, as is shown over and over. In fact, it’s in the Moses story, when God has Moses kill thousands of the Jews and make them drink ground-up-statue water because of one golden cow. If that’s not jealousy and restrictions on what we can worship, I don’t know what is“

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“I think we can say that definitely He was not, especially regarding the fact that sin was not imputed to those that were destroyed. God would have been well within His “rights” to destroy His creation utterly.”

>>This is the kind of reasoning you could use to justify this one episode of “Oprah” I saw where this guy beat his wife senseless (literally) for asking him if he wanted some lunch. How could anyone not think that Noah was psychotic for building a boat in the middle of a desert? And don’t say it was because Noah said God told him to or whatever, because that’s the same basic thing Jim Jones claimed when he got everyone to drink the Cyn-Aid (get it? lol) at Jonestown. Really, I’ve heard the tapes. That one psycho from Heaven’s Gate thought he was a reincarnation of Jesus, too. Mormons also think they have a direct communication with God.

So many people make these claims – most of them are raging psychopaths, like Jim Jones – and no sane person can take them seriously.“

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The Garden of Eden

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>>That doesn’t mean that God couldn’t have removed Satan when he knew he would trick them into eating. What was Satan doing in the Garden, anyway? Shouldn’t he have been banished since the Garden is basically equivalent to Heaven? Notice that I didn’t say “Why didn’t God stop them from eating?” I asked instead why God let Satan into his heavenly oasis. That makes no sense.

(PS Please don’t respond by saying that God didn’t let him in, but that Satan entered – what, can’t God keep people out of the Garden? He did it with Adam and Eve!)“

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>>Is it just me, or is it incredibly unimpressive that God knew that Pharoah wouldn’t obey such a stupid request as “Free the slaves”? As I said in my earlier post (”God is a Masochist PART I”), this would have crippled Egypt as a nation and left it in ruin. Moses was basically asking Pharaoh to shoot himself in the foot.

This is one reason that Exodus is so obviously made up – with an emotionally crippled Pharaoh, all of their slaves leaving, and their entire army being drowned, Egypt would have been swiftly conquered by its enemies, who would have documented the event, and Egypt would probably not exist as its land would be sucked up into another, more powerful nation. It just doesn’t add up.

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>>Yes, I am already familiar with your “God was just strengthening Pharaoh’s will” argument. Why would God do something like that?

Pharaoh would have changed his mind instantly if God appeared to him in a vision, as I have stated in earlier posts. And that’s what God wanted (for him to change his mind), so it makes no sense that God would make Pharaoh stronger in his resolve, which is also corrupting Pharaoh’s free will. Which God would never do, right?“

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“First they argued against God when the spies were sent to investigate the land that He promised to give them”

>>If I know the scripture right, there were something like 4 other civilizations living in the promised land. Who wouldn’t be skeptical and argue with you a little about how safe it was to just stroll into some foreign lands and say “What’s yours is now ours!” (actually, they enslaved and murdered people, except for the women, whom they kept as sex slaves… so they didn’t exactly “stroll in).“

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So you are now given the choice again. As clearly as possible.

Will you obey God and LIVE?

Or will you continue to disobey God and be judged?”

>>I hereby officially renounce the Christian/Jewish God, as well as all of his institutions, churches, and masochistic tendencies and morals. I laugh at his followers’ threats eternal damnation and torture, for it is a complete untruth.

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