I’ve been intending to write an essay about this for a long time. And this isn’t it.
This is just a general overview of why Christians will never admit that they are wrong.
This is not a post to argue about whether or not they are wrong. I have a whole blog dedicated to saying they are.
This is just why they wouldn’t ever admit their… uh, wrongness.
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Here’s what happens to atheists if they are proven wrong:
1. They lose good standing in the scientific community and public eye
2. They are embarrassed
3. They get a shot at eternal life
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Here’s what happens to theists if they are proven wrong:
1. They are crushed to discover that they don’t have all the answers
2. They lose their imagined magic powers (turning bread into flesh, exorcising demons, etc.)
3. They lose direct contact with a magical supernatural being with infinite powers who loves them
4. They lose free self-counseling (through prayer)
5. They lose eternal life after death.
6. They are exposed as prejudiced for their homophobic views, which can no longer be justified by the bible (conservatives/fundamentalists only).
7. They have to find a real job (priests, pastors, rabbis, etc. only)
8. They are embarrassed, possibly shaming their families’ names for generations to come.
9. They are the object of sheer, unbridled contempt for their genocides, prejudices, and idiotic political beliefs that have plagued society, much like a post-Holocasut Germany.
10. Many will become depressed and commit suicide because of their inability to live life for the sake of living it.
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and the list goes on.
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OK, so, the point is that theists just have too much to lose to every admit being wrong. Atheists, as I have pointed out, have significantly less.
You’re totally right. I am a Christian (and a pastor) and you’re exactly right about having too much to lose. The Apostle Paul himself said that if Christ had not been raised from the dead that Christians are the most pitiable of all men. Of course, I only agree on the basis of point 5, since the rest of your points seem just as closed minded and prejudiced as your accusations against Christians.
P.S. I’m kinda hurt that you don’t think I have a real job. My average week includes graphic design, video editing, song writing/composition, counseling, teaching, heavy lifting, construction, studying, etc. I’ve moved furniture, managed a business, played in bands and worked in a warehouse, and this is definitely the hardest job I’ve had.
P.P.S. Im not really hurt. Good post.
P.P.P.S Maybe a little hurt
@Chris Dills:
Convincing people to believe in something that is false, in order to create a misguided sense of hope and belonging, must be a particularly strenuous job indeed.
Thank My self that im out of incident………
im happy im a hindu because i really faced christians are totally foolish and they have false believe……..
i’l tell u my real story…..
Im a Hindu and my girlfriend is christian she says she had baptism. As every one knows bride should follow the bridegroom she should stay with husband, and herself and her father say if she come to ur house she will go to hell.
I replied him strongly, i asked him u foolish father can u prove ur words.
My questions to Him which was not answered by him and he bowed his head infront of me. i just said just speak truth, that’s what god required.
1.did jesus told u that u should not eat prasad, not right?, moreover I can Prove every one eat prasad daily hindus, christians……
2. u say u r pure christian, then why do u wear mangalsutra, Metalu, and Sary as those belong to hinduism.
3. did jesus told u that u should have such baptism.
4. why do u insult hindus saying u pray to stones…
i said why do u pray to nothing……..
I told him Im happy that im hindu, our religion says, give respect and never forget the people who did good for u and for the nation…….
we Pray Sri Ram, Jesus, Mohammed, Budha…..
and we never Insult anyone and any God.
and kindly i must say we dont have any converting methods because everyone is equal infront of GOD.
I also Told her father that u r Equal to a Terrorist…..
He dint replied for my questions…….. then she came and married me in the Temple and Me my wife, my father, my mother, my brother and his wife living very happily……
She is really enjoying with me now……. and she also belived that Im absolutely right and her father mother not…….
i can challange and prove that christians are wrong
Well, I have to say that you have good taste in blog page headers…I picked the same one. Intersting take on your top ten.
bshelley:
Well, looks like we both have good taste in nature photos!
Chris Dills:
lol I find myself enjoying your post quite a bit. You seem like a good guy.
Well, as for the prejudice, I think that what I said was pretty much just truth said in a kind of mean spirited way.
Now, I will freely admit that 8-10 were guesses. However, I expect 8 would be true, like how some white families live in shame because their parents owned slaves, except religion has victimized everyone in one way or another and slavery is only one facet of religion’s bloody past.
9 is basically the same thing as 8.
10 is just a guess based off of some fundamentalist crazies I’ve read essays by. Imagin the WBC if theism was disproven. It would be the next Jonestown.
I can see how 6 sounds a little generalizing, but I did put a parentheses that says it applies only to fundamentalist crazies.
As for my reference to your job as “not a real job,” sorry if I offended you lol. I know that being a priest/pastor/rabbi is hard work because you are working with a less-than-foolproof doctrine while trying to juggle website maintainence, fundraising, church maintainence, and acting as a counselor to an entire congregation.
It’s tough work, but I don’t think either of us could honestly say that there would be a place for pastors, no matter how hard they work, in a post-theism world. Which was the point of my post.
“why christians will never admit they’re worng”
i don’t think so, alot of christians convert to other religions, what does that mean?
what about yourself? what was your past faith? believe in jesus christ? what is your corent sect? atheist? what? you admit you were wrong didn’t you?
yes, many do, but I was here referring to them as a collective, not as individuals.
i was a pseudofundamentalist catholic, now i’m an atheist
my personal philosophy is somewhere between hedonism, objectivism, and lavey satanism
do you know among other faithes a faith which collectivly admit they’re wrong? Of course you can’t find any.
“my personal philosophy is somewhere between hedonism, objectivism, and lavey satanism”
sects which have legal parents have alot of problem to solve what about unfathered beliefs you believe in?
take care of your unrepeated lifetime; the only valuable thing you have.
btw i’m not a christian
they wouldn’t still exist if they admitted they were collectively wrong. like people had to eventually admit they were collectively wrong about the earth being flat.
hey could you clarify the second part of your post? i didn’t quite catch your drift, so to speak
there is a big distance between scientific issues; flatness of earth, and metaphysics matters; believeing to invisible God.
but about second part of my post:
i mean heavenly religions offer an explicit program and complex beliefs; we have come from God and we will return to Him agian. but i can’t find out a right conclusion of your beliefs.
please tell me more about what you choose as your map of your way of life.
For answers to those, just go to the top and search “My Beliefs in depth”
I did a post on it a while back, but my views may have changed since then…
No, you’re definitely right. Without Christianity there would be no need for pastors. Unfortunately, I would have to say that you’re a touch off on the “less-than-foolproof” doctrine. Perhaps you have just not met the right Christians who understand their faith in a rational mindset. Aside from that, that description can be ascribed to any doctrine, theistic or atheistic, in that all ideals run into the hard to prove issues eventually.
I’m glad you enjoyed my post. I like to think I’m a pretty awesome guy. I’ve enjoyed browsing through your blog as well man.
lol That’s a little strange that you’d enjoy my blog as a pastor, I’m not exactly sympathetic to theism lol
And it’s definitely less-than-foolproof. I don’t think atheistic religions and ideologies and what have you are so hard to prove since they’re basically just ethics, not really supernatural things and are more opinions than attempts at fact.
Nah, its coo. Im definitely not afraid or offended by alternative viewpoints. I enjoy the humor.
And I suppose you’re right. Ethics are TOTALLY not opinions or hard to prove.
No, I say they are opinions, but not hard to prove since people develop them out of rationalism and their own natures.
PS Chris – are you against gay marriage?
I’ll preface by saying that I think Scripture is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin.
However, America is not a theocracy and I’m not sure the government should decide who gets tax breaks and who doesn’t. We don’t prevent drug addicts and thiefs from getting married, and the Bible is pretty clear that all sin is sin, so not really.
I’m a big proponent of seperation of Church and State, not only because the church can mess with the state, but also because that allows the state to mess with the church.
Huh. That’s interesting logic. Never heard that viewpoint before.
what about your views on it?
As far as I’m concerned, anyone can do anything sexually they want except for rape and beastiality, which I see as rape and abuse of animals.
Other than raping people and animals, I say do whatever turns you on.
Glad to hear you don’t rape animals.
lmfao
Your totaly wrong that has nothing to do with founding out that christians are wrong there is no proof that thats what we will think. By the way cathlics are wrong and that can be proven in the bible something you wouldnt know of course
I enjoyed every single post/blog/comment except for Juan’s. Cheers! Chris Dills, I wished many more Christians were as understanding as you. Maybe we can all be friends?
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Not only christians.. most of the muslims, hindus, buddhists, atheists and agnostics will not change themselves. The reason is, what they believed is right for them.
Check my post on this subject.
http://ajourneytotruth.com/2009/10/11/obstacle-to-truth/
Christians admit they are wrong daily! It’s called “repentence”, because they recognise that without God’s grace they are nothing.
I find your post interesting but I don’t think point number 5 is valid.
“5. They lose eternal life after death.”
By saying that “they lose eternal life” signifies that an “eternal life” exists, yet they could not reach it. However, if they admitted that they were wrong, it is most likely that they would have to renounce the existence of “eternal life”. Since it is impossible for someone to lose something that doesn’t exist, hence, the statement is invalid. Anyway, I do understand what you mean, I thought I’d just point out that it could be the wording.
I have a question for you though – a person who has faith in himself, believing that he holds the power that shapes his own destiny – is he considered a theist?
All Christians are crazy.
They worship the sun without realizing it.
Their precious messiah with come “symbolically” when the sun evolves into a red giant in a few billions years.
christians are not wrong, people just missed understand actually we all return to GOD even if we are muslim, hindu, catholic, kong hu cu, budha or anything.. we will all return to god. the difference is that we just have our own way of worshiping HIM..
I, too, am a nontheist. But I feel only sadness and compassion for you, author. It is one thing to oppose Christians and religionists. It is another altogether to do so with the kind of hate and vitriol that you exhibit. It shows that your conclusions came not from your intellect but from your groin. You are not a good spokesperson for the atheist cause.
i like you blog but you reason are wrong…but i must say a real christian would admit he or she is wrong, because he or she would know they are no better in gods eyes than you… so i will try to give you some reasond, 1 is arrogance beleiving they are sent from the God, and you dont know him so they think they are better than you… 2 they have little actual knowledge of there bible, so just repeating what they have been taught without really checking it.. 3 they dont care what your veiw point is because if it dosnt agree with them you are wrong… you point about losing eternal life,contact with god is subject to did they have them in the first place.. if you want , most christians dont understand that the doctorine are from rome/catholic system is steep in paganism the trinity, christmas, easter, sunrise services , birthdays, which sabbath and such like.. im not saying these are bad, but to a christian you will see the excuses they give why they still do these things, when pointed out these are not christain things….. a real christian will come with love, if he dosnt tell them to bugger off andcome back when you have found Gods love… jesus attacked the religious people and helped the lost ,, so please continue your blog and we can hope to eradicate the fake christians and show them up for what they are
they also do sunrise services which is an abbomanation , see ezekiel…
hendu is not religion . we have 3 religion jud chrisitan muslim not 4religonin mr hendu
I’m an atheist but from beginning to end, this article is at best, silly. You make it seem deliberate, as ifthe they somehownever KNOW they’reit full ofof it butthat pretend they’re not. I was raised in a very fundamentalist Christian household and was one myself until age 20. Shedding my faith was very difficult. Christians will never admit being wrong because the idea of doing so is unthinkable. When you’re raised from the cradle with this idea of god, it’s as real to you as the air you breathe.
sadly your wrong and christians are right
Buddy the only way this earth could be hear, is if there was a god
There is no proof in your entire essay that christianity is wrong!!!!!!!
You have no fu**en proof that we are wrong!!!!!!!!!! and bye the way you used circular reasoning which brought you know were, that we are wrong!!!!!!