Well, Chris Taylor (sharpeningiron.wordpress.com) called me out in the comments section of “Re: Christians vs. Atheists” after I said the old testament god was , quote, “an asshole.”
Anyway, he wanted me to back up my claim that god is, in fact, an asshole.
Well, where to begin?
I think I’ll just list a few thing off the top of the dome, since I don’t feel like doing research…
God drowned everyone, including children and sinless animals, when he could have used his infinite knowledge to predetermine that they would turn out bad and just not make them or he could have magically “poofed” away all the bad people.
God banished Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden, although his infinite knowledge should have allowed him to know that Satan was in the garden and that Adam and Eve would sin. Set ‘em up and knock em down! Why not just banish Satan before the harm is done?
God kills livestock, crops, fish, and children in Egypt so that Pharoah will release his slaves. What, was an all-powerful God incapable of just appearing to Pharoah and saying “I am the Lord your God, let my people go,” effectively converting the Pharoah (and Egypt) as well as releasing the slaves without any pain or suffering? God even tells Moses that He has hardened Pharoah’s heart so that Pharoah will not listen, making it seem as if God is just torturing Egypt for the sheer hell of it.
After drowning Egypt’s entire army for trying to save their country from sure ruin, God gives Moses sexist, useless commandments before having Moses kill thousands of the Jews God killed Egyptians to save. God then sends a plague among the Jews and kills Moses before he can reach the promised land. Torture? Yes. Hell fucking yes.
Yes, God is, indeed an asshole.
If Chris manages to refute all of these stories and make God’s asshole-ness into virtue, then I’ll list some more examples. But I think this is good for now.
For more information, read the chapter of Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” on scripture which includes an on-point comparison of God to a jealous lover.
Chill, do you care if post the rebuttal on my site, since it’s going to take some time and a whole lot of space?
God Bless,
Chris
That sounds fine.
I’ll copy and paste it and then refute it on here in the usual manner…
Hmmm…I thought you were going to post more examples instead of refuting my refutation?
When I said “if he turns God’s assholeness into virtue,” I meant “pending my own rebuttal.”
Oh I see. LOL
It will be tomorrow sometime (most likely not tonight) before I get anything up as I’m at home now spending time with the family.
God Bless,
Chris
That’s cool. Just whenever, doesn’t matter to me…
YAY!! I FINISHED IT.
Its a page at the top of my blog – not a post, but a page. Entitled “Rebuttal To An Atheist”
Catchy, no?
But you gotta read it Chill, not like the other post that you didn’t read. I’m putting the time in, my challenge to you is to do the same.
Will you?
God Bless,
Chris
Heck, the post is here.
http://sharpeningiron.wordpress.com/rebuttal-to-an-atheist/
er, page that is
I finished your other post and will read this one as I need to try to and refute it lol
I’ll get back to you a little later.
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So, God’s an asshole. We’ve established that. Its not news. So, now that we realize this truth, what to do? What can we do about it? For me, since I’m a pantheist though, it goes much deeper.
Don’t limit it the the Torah and the Bible. You’ll say, the Koran. But I’d go much deeper than even that. Though, give them the Benefit of the doubt, they are just books, and obviousl not fallible or incorruptible. They have in fact, been corrupted. They were written by fallible men. You can’t hold it against God though. We only “know” about God what anyone has ever believed about God.
Kraig
awesome arguements
bunch of cunts
GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD ALREADY! YOU’LL NEVER ESTABLISH A FREAKIN’ ILLUSION:)
plus looks all the people in poor countries in africa… they cannot even afford to eat, or buy new clothes to keep them warm. why do they have to suffer so much, when there are so many wealthy people who doesnt know anything about Hard work..
if “GOD” wasnt an asshole, he would help those people out. and He “Created” all beings in universe, so he is pretty much responsible for every genocie, war, 9/11 and millions of people who died because of that..
i say “GOD” is Hiter, “GOD” is Attila the Hun, he is Maxmillion Robispehere, Osama BinLadin. He is indeed the Biggest asshole
Not long after this was originally posted, my only child, at age 12, was diagnosed with a life-altering disease. He will suffer pain, horrible disabilities, and an early death. Standing over his unconscious body in the pediatric ICU, I knew there was no god. The creationists insist that humanity proves “intelligent design.” Well, I say that if we were intelligently designed, then knees would be different! And humans wouldn’t be prone to Huntingtons, MS, lupus, cystic fibrosis, and on and on and on. Clearly, there is no god. (And if there is, you can tell it for me that I hate it.)
Karly,
I am so sorry to hear about your child. It is such a tragedy to experience the kind of pain like you and your child must be going through. It is so hard to make sense of why fate would conspire to bring such pain on any of us. It is especially difficult to understand why any loving powerful sentient entity would allow something like this to happen. There are some things we can only hope to understand and make peace with before we die. I have occasionally found it useful to tell God right from my soul what a rat bastard He is for hurting me so badly… He can take it. He’s plenty strong And loving of us and can take more abuse than you ever gave your earthly father. I just hope you can make peace with (God/ the universe/ fate/ life) so that you can focus less on your own pain and more on showing your child what a blessing s/he is to your life in the short time remaining – all we all have a short time remaining in the big scheme of things.
Not only is god a major a-hole, he’s the original drama queen.
I am a little ashamed to admit that I found your page by searching Google for “God is an asshole”.
I am a Christian, and God recently dealt me a disappointment in my life. My disappointment is nothing compared to the ones that Karly and a few others mention. My point is that even Christians sometimes doubt the wisdom, power, or goodness of God, even when the disappointment is not particularly severe.
The Bible teaches that God is all three of these things, and it is very difficult to believe this at times. It would be so convenient if I could could just pick two of the three. Then, most of life could be explained by the doctrine of “shit happens”.
I also wanted to address the point of human free will and God’s sovereignty and knowledge. The author (I’ll call you Chill, if you don’t mind) says that God could have “poofed” the bad people out of existence instead of flooding the earth. That is certainly true. I don’t know why he chose to flood the earth rather than using some other means of judgment. He also could have forseen that Adam and Eve would sin and kept the tempter out of the garden. I don’t know exactly why he chose to allow Adam and Eve to sin. Also, keep in mind that even if God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would sin, this does not diminish their responsibility for doing so.
The short answer to your objections about God is that God does everything for his own glory. Also, the Bible teaches that “all things work together” for the good of those who believe in Christ, that is, Christians. (As far as I know, the Bible makes no promise like this to unbelievers.)
Please do not misunderstand. I am not saying these things flippantly. I am bothered by the injustices and pains of this world also. It is very difficult to believe that God is all-wise, all-knowing, and all-powerful. It is also difficult for me to believe that the seemingly-senseless things that happens to me (large and small) are for my good.
Quran 30 : 20 -26
Among His signs is [the fact] that he has created you from dust; then you were propagated as human beings.
Among His signs is that He has created spouses for you from among yourselves so that you may console yourselves with them. He has planted affection and mercy between you; in that are signs for people who think things over.
Among His signs are the creation of Heaven and Earth, as well as the diversity in your tongues and colors. In that are signs for those who know.
Among His signs are your sleeping at night and by day, and your pursuit of His bounty. In that are signs for any folk who listen.
Among His signs is how He shows you lightning for both fear and anticipation. He sends water down from the sky so He may revive the earth with it following its death. In that are signs for folk who use their reason.
Among His signs are [the fact] that the sky and earth hold firm at His command. Then whenever He calls you forth out of the earth once and for all, you will (all) come forth! * Anyone who is in Heaven and Earth belongs to Him; all are subservient to Him.
Quran 41:37
and among his signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not prostrate to the sun nor to the moon; and prostrate to Allah who created them, if Him it is that you serve.
Justice and equality
“We sent aforetime our messengers with clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance, that men may stand forth in Justice.” [Al-Hadeed 57:25].
“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.” [An-Nisa 4:35]
“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.” [Al-Maidah 5:8]
“Allah doth command you to render back your Trusts to those to whom they are due; and when ye judge between man and man, that ye judge with justice: verily how excellent is the teaching which He gives you! For Allah is He Who hears and sees all things.” [An-Nisa 4:58]
O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may identify one another. Surely the noblest of you, in Allah‘s sight, is the one who is most pious of you. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Hujurat) 49-13
“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (5:69).
124. If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female – and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them. (4:124)
Allah – that’s another funny invisible dude.
Would you like sausages and a beer?
And if you happen to meet those virgins in paradise as you’ve been promised, will you be uploading pics on Facebook?
After reading all or this, the conclusion is god is still an asshole. So am I for that matter.
~Satan
god is not an asshole, god, simply, is not. Or, it is dog spelled backwards, if you like.
excellent post, eventhough I know it was a couple of years ago now. perfect disection of the bibilical fallacy.
Anyone who tells you to hate your parents and family is an asshole! Try these verses out for size:
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26) The word “hate” here is miseo, the Greek word for “hate,” from which we get the prefix in “misanthropy” and “misogyny.” The same writer uses miseo in such verses as: “Blessed are ye when men shall hate you.” (Luke 6:22)
The concept of devaluing your family is reflected by Matthew: “And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37-38)
Why not love your family first? This sounds like something an uneasy dictator would say. (AN ASSHOLE!!!)
Maybe that explains numerous cases on why children are disrespecting and murdering their parents now.
Perhaps since god is an unthinking asshole, it gives the green light for his followers to do the same.
I cannot fathom the thought of hating the very 2 people responsible for bringing a life into this world, only to be told by Jesus to hate your parents and family.
Need more proof???
How about a contradiction from the OLD TESTAMENT which is vice-versa of the passages JESUS said about HATING YOUR PARENTS AND FAMILY????
“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.” (Exodus 21:17) “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he that cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)
Need I say more???
Another reason on why God and Jesus are assholes:
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26) The word “hate” here is miseo, the Greek word for “hate,” from which we get the prefix in “misanthropy” and “misogyny.” The same writer uses miseo in such verses as: “Blessed are ye when men shall hate you.” (Luke 6:22)
The concept of devaluing your family is reflected by Matthew: “And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37-38) Why not love your family first? This sounds like something an uneasy dictator would say.
It seems that when I post something tangible here on this topic, it gets censored….and for what??? The TRUTH APPARENTLY HURTS!!!!!! I’d like a logical explanation as to why mo posts are being censored and no one else’s?
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
–Thomas Paine
Never mind….awaiting moderation.
God is indeed an asshole and St. Joseph sucks. How dare these churches tell you to come to them in your hour of need and then only want what little money you have left? I, for one, am done with this money-making fairy tale. p.s. Allah is an asshole, too.
Why are people spending time and effort refuting the existence of something they’ve made up their minds doesn’t exist? At least you people might discuss the whole issue in a serious manner instead of all the foul language and sarcasm. I guess it’s just the Johnny Carson side of humanity, everything the subject of silly humor.