Is it just me, or is my blog turning into just one big Paul Jub pile-on? Whatever.
Here’s my REAL EDITION of a stupid conversation Paul pulled out his ass.
http://pauljub.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/atheist-and-christian-conversation/
Atheist: I don’t believe in love.
Christian: What? Why not? There’s lots of evidence for love!
Atheist: Where?
Christian: You, me, and all around us.
Atheist: Wait, wasn’t your point that I shouldn’t believe in love?
Christian: What about the fruits of the Holy Spirit?
Atheist: Yeah, you guys are pretty damn fruity.
Christian: Wait! I want to ramble for a while.
Atheist: I don’t want to hear stuff from some fairy tale book from 2,000 years ago with no evidence for it.
Christian: How would you feel if people said that about you 2000 years from now?
Atheist: I think I would be happy to be remembered 2,000 years from now.
Christian: Jesus said that faith comes before–
Atheist: [interrupting] Wait, what the hell are you talking about? I thought we were talking about 2,000 years from now.
Christian: I can prove that God is real.
Atheist: How did you get there? We weren’t talking about that. Well, OK, what’s your evidence?
Christian: Only God can give it to you.
Atheist: Well, guess what, I have evidence that God is total bullshit.
Christian: Give it to me.
Atheist: That’s what she said.
Christian: [Appaled by the juvenille humor] Just give me your evidence!
Atheist: Sorry, I can’t. Satan came to me in a vision – only he can reveal it to you.
Christian: Well, then Satan’s not fair.
Atheist: I’m sorry. He said he’d eat me if I told anyone.
Christian: But I thought you said you don’t believe in God? Besides, by what standard of absolute truth would you presume to judge Him against?
Atheist: Now what the hell are you talking about?
Christians: My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, la la.
Atheist: What the hell is wrong with you?
Christian: I thought you don’t believe in hell, oh ho, I got you now! By what standard of absolute truth would you presume to judge Him against?
Atheist: You’re back on that again?
Christian: Yes, now answer, gosh confound it, what absolute truth would you presume to judge Him against?
Atheist: Me.
Christian: You? But you’re not perfect!
Atheist: Yeah I am. Actually, I’m God, Paul. It’s just that you aren’t all-knowing like myself, so you don’t understand how I’m perfect.
Christian: Liar!
Atheist: Prove me wrong.
Christian: Well, I can’ t prove you wrong… but you’re still not God, I know it!
Atheist: So you think that argument is bullshit? Then how come it’s the only one you Christians use?
Christian: God, like, He isn’t politically correct in our current society.
Atheist: What? That has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Christian: But don’t let Him trouble you, because He doesn’t exist, remember?
Atheist: Of course he exists – I’m God, remember?
Christian: No you’re not.
Atheist: Prove me wrong.
Christian: Oh, wait, I can’t. Satan himself can be disguised as an “angel of light.”
Atheist: What?
Christian: Shall we read some from the gospels?
Atheist: Sure, if you want.
Christian: Okay, I’ll move along then, there are lots of lost souls to find.
Atheist: Wait… what? I thought you were going to talk about the gospels?
Christian: [Fasts and prays in a church]
Atheist: [Eats lunch and watchs Seinfeld reruns]
Now, which one would you rather be?
At least you’re honesty and humor are shining through. PJ’s presentation of atheists is as a humorless, pitiable numbskulls with little-to-no sales resistance. You’d think we all got talked into selling Amway.
I think the saddest part about Paul’s post is that he may actually think he’s representing atheists accurately.
p.s. thanks for posting, I appreciate it!
lolz in the motherfuckin hallz… i got a good laugh out of this
i’ve been on both sides of this fence, and i can tell you no “true” christian will ever acknowledge empirical evidence, because they’re not allowed to question god. technically, paul’s whole blog is mildly blasphemous, since he encourages people to question his god – you’re supposed to accept everything in christianity with “child-like faith” (i.e. the same faith your parents manipulate from the time you’re born).
nah they use empirical evidence whenever they think they’ve found some, but when they don’t have any, they like to pretend they do.
they’re very selective with their evidence lol
You guys have some really jaded opinions of Christians. Extremely sad really.
In Christ,
Chris
http://sharpeningiron.wordpress.com/
Chris: Are you referring to the conversation in the post or what we are saying in the comments?
What the hell?
What do you mean “what the hell?”
I meant by the comments.
OK, thanks for clarifying.
For a second I thought you didn’t get that the conversation was comical parody lol
Oh, I knew it was a parody, but it took me a moment to catch on. Having read Paul Jub’s blog, it could almost be a direct quote for a while.
Yes, I kept many of his words, I just tweaked the atheists’ side to better emphasize the sheer ridiculousness of what the christian was saying.
I really do love this post, definitely one of my favorites.
My absolute favorite part has to be the “More lost souls to find” part. If only I could write with such humorous ignorance….
I thought that this post was pretty funny. Is that wrong of me?
Anyway… in response to some things said here, we generally reject empirical evidence as a means to “prove” the existence of God for two reasons:
1. What is “tangible evidence” particularly when speaking of an intangible God? A person’s perception of “evidence” depends upon the theory they’re trying to rationalize (and like it or not, evolution does this as well). To avoid “rationalizing” we need to get at the origin of inquiry, so we can know what questions actually make sense. Which leads to…
2. The Christian considers the origin of inquiry to be the presupposition of God. To do otherwise, as previously noted, is mildly blasphemous. The fact that we have this point of inquiry allows us to ask (and answer!) questions concerning things that the atheist worldview cannot make sense of (or attempts at some extremely convoluted understanding), yet is clearly observed through human experience.
Example: there is a website out there called freethoughtpedia, which is a kind of an atheist propaganda site. One of the atheists there contended that researchers were attempting to discover whether or not freedom was nothing more than a perception. Given the title of the website “free thought”, the entire premise for its existence is that freedom is not only possible, but expected. Try to make sense of THAT line of reasoning. Maybe he simply didn’t believe in the cause and was arguing with theists for no reason. Hmm….
BTW The insult that we are instructed not to “question God” as depicted here is kind of backwards. It’s kind of like using logic and questioning whether it exists at the same time. It’s not because Christians “don’t ask questions” it’s because questioning doesn’t make sense if you’re a Christian! The expectation that we should do such assumes that Christianity is actually false. Can you PROVE it empirically? (joke).
I have yet to find an experience which suggests that my worldview is false. Only when I have said experience does it actually make sense to do so. Otherwise I go deeper and deeper into some unintelligible delusion where absolutes are arbitrary, and decided upon at a whim.
If that’s not sufficient, so be it. But if you do end up having a question, feel free to let me know. Maybe I can answer it?
Peace,
Andrew